A BRIEF LESSON IN ENDOCRINOLOGY FROM A NON-ACCREDITED MED STUDENT :)
THERE IS A FEEDBACK LOOP THAT PRODUCES BOTH TESTOSTERONE AND SEMEN. SEMEN I BELIEVE IS MADE IN THE SERTOLI CELLS OF THE TESTES, TESTOSTERONE IN THE LEYDIG? CELLS. (I'M GUESSING ON THAT ONE.)
BOTH ARE PRODUCED UPON STIMULATION OF THE SO-CALLED FSH AND LH.
CLOMID STIMULATES THE PRODUCTION OF FSH AND LH WHICH IN TURN GENERATES MORE TESTOSTERONE AND SEMEN PRODUCTION IN MEN. (IN WOMEN IT STIMULATES THE PRODUCTION OF EGGS THUS CLOMID'S PRIMARY USE AS A FERTILITY DRUG.)
AS WE AGE WE PRODUCE LESS TESTOSTERONE. SOME ADVOCATE A TESTOSTERONE PATCH ETC AS A REMEDY. I PREFER THE PRECURSOR ROUTE USING THE CLOMID.
I BELIEVE THIS IS PREFERABLE TO THE UNFETTERED INTRODUCTION OF
TESTOSTERONE INTO YOUR SYSTEM AS THAT CAN TRIGGER THE NEGATIVE FEEDBACK LOOP WHICH WILL SHUT OFF YOUR OWN NATURAL TESTOSTERONE PRODUCTION.
THIS HAPPENS WHEN YOUR BODY SENSES THERE IS TOO MUCH TESTOSTERONE FLOATING AROUND IN THE BLOODSTREAM. USING A PRECURSOR SUCH AS CLOMID IS FAR LESS LIKELY TO TRIP THE SWITCH WHICH SHUTS OFF TESTOSTERONE.
I PREFER TO TAKE HERBAL FSH STIMULATORS LIKE Tribulus Terrestris Estract FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT IT FEELS MORE "NATURAL" TO MY BODY, BUT NOTHING WORKS QUITE LIKE CLOMID - ESP THE AMERICAN PURCHASED CLOMID I'VE USED.
Question: Based on what you have told me and on what I read about it, I took 1 tablet... then just now I took another tablet... so that makes 2 tablets so far... what is the effect? How does this compare to Androstenedione, or DHEA, which cause the level of testosterone to rise for about 3 hours?
I'VE HEARD THE TESTOSTERONE-RAISING CLAIMS OF DHEA AND ANDRO BOTH OF WHICH I'VE TAKEN (I STILL TAKE ANDRO.) BUT NOTHING COMPARES WITH WHAT HAPPENS WITH CLOMID. REMEMBER I ENCOURAGE MEN TO RETAIN THEIR SEED, EVEN WHEN BEING INTIMATE WITH THEIR WIVES. COMBINING THAT PROCESS WITH CLOMID IS THE ULTIMATE YOUTH ELIXIR IN MY BOOK. YOU RETAIN THE SEED YOU'RE PRODUCING AND PRODUCE MORE TO BOOT.
Every anti-aging doctor that I know, and most serious anti-aging persons that I know belong to THE LIFE EXTENSION FOUNDATION. I highly recommend that you should see their website. A search for "testosterone" will turn up more than 20 superb, basic articles. Life Extension has the single best anti-aging website on the internet, with thousands of superb pages and articles, and constantly growing.
I add this from the Rejuvenation discussion
group:
To: Rejuvenation@onelist.com;
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 9:19 PM
Subject: HCG????
> Has anyone had any experience in taking HCG (the technical name is human chorionic gonadotropin) after completing a cycle of testosterone? Is it supposed to mitigate depression and other side effects associated with stopping the hormones?
From: Gordon Swobe
Date: Sat May 20, 2000 1:23pm
Subject: Re: HCG????
HCG is best used during a long cycle as a means of stimulating natural Testosterone production, rather than at the end of a cycle. The reason for this is that the surge of T from HCG will trigger more negative feedback, which is exactly what you don't want at the end of a cycle when you should be trying
to coax natural T production to come back online.
Clomiphene Citrate (Clomid) is more effective than HCG at the end of a cycle. It blocks estrogens at the hypothalamus. This reduces the negative feedback from high estrogen levels and allows for a resumption of natural T production. Clomid will not block the feedback that results from high androgen levels but androgen based feedback dominates only when T levels are very high, such as during a cycle when HCG is the better choice.
-gts
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"I want to express my feeling of deepest gratitude to you for teaching me about the significance of EPO. I learned about EPO first from you. Initially I did not pay much attention to it.
What happened to me about two years ago when I was 88, was sudden mysterious anemia (hematocrit 35-38%). My doctor did not worry about my anemia... He said it is mild and stable, there is nothing to worry about... but I felt terribly weak... I felt like I was dying.
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"You might remember me. I am the 66 year old Phoenix firefighter that has the hyperbaric chamber that I use for mountain bike racing. I also let ill
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- Frank Lively
Phoenix, Arizona
July, 2006
Hi Ellis,
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Northern California
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