FAQ: Does Human Growth Hormone (HGH) Cause Diabetes?
-----Original Message----- From: FRANK To: Rejuvenation@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 5:42 pm Subject: HGH like a dream... awakened with diabetes Frank: Just thought I would report back in after a long lay off. As you may recall I started on Norditropin about the end of Feb 07. I was taking 1 unit six times a week. I experienced very little change for the first 6 months other than a little softer skin and more body hair. At 6 months I began to feel great. However, there was a noticeable elevation in my glucose numbers and while I didn't think much about it over the 6 months, my blood pressure was slowly going up. I didn't think much about the two because I was feeling so good. This stuff changed me mentally and physically. At 67 I was ready to conquer the world. No task was too big. I truly felt and probably acted about 35 years old. Nothing was going to stop me now. But like they say, all good things must come to an end. I was going to have some minor surgery and when I went to the doctor's office on the scheduled morning I had a very rude awaking. My glucose was 162 and my blood pressure was 155/115. This all happened in a matter of a couple of weeks. Needless to say it scared the hell out of me. That day I stopped taking the HGH. Ellis: [Big mistake... The HGH had nothing to do with the high glucose... The high glucose had to do with what you ate that day, or the night before, and also with what you ate for the previous 30 years, or 67 years... You are 67 years old, so without much surprise you are now diabetic. So What? So why not control the blood glucose with insulin, instead of attempting to control the blood glucose by taking away the only thing that has made you feel and act like 35? Why blame HGH for the diabetes? Who else to blame? What you ATE 67 years? Huh? Why not blame something more RECENT, that makes you feel full of energy, and young? So... Blame the forbidden fruit of knowledge. - Ellis] Frank: After a month of blood pressure medicine and metformin, I am back to about 108 on my glucose and down to 130/90 on my blood pressure. Ellis: [Wrong medicine... You should be taking what your body would give you if it could, but it can't, because it is not there anymore. But of course your DOCTOR is SCARED of insulin, because he thinks it is the LAST thing he should try... he should try all the palliatives first, so of course, and he feels safe to give you METFORMIN because nobody will ever CRITICIZE him or BLAME him for his ignorance, since it is STANDARD MEDICAL PRACTICE to NOT give the patient insulin until he is nearly blind, or has much worse complications. I suggest you should not listen to me, but you should come to Mexico to learn from me, because without a doubt 100% sure, you are diabetic, and "according to Ellis" you are taking the WRONG MEDICINE. The right medicine would be for you to learn to use INSULIN, as your body would do if it could, but it can't. - Ellis] Frank: I don't feel nearly as great as I did, but I still feel pretty good. Aug, Sept and Oct were a dream come true. I'm not sure about the long term effects, but I do believe different people have different results. I am going to continue to research HGH, I know what it can do... but not sure about side effects. Ellis [At the dose you were taking, there are no side effects... Who convinced you to get off of HGH? Was it you, or was it your doctor? COME TO MEXICO. I'll take you to MY doctor, and I'll teach you to use insulin, and you will go back FEELING GOOD, FEELING YOUNG, and with your blood glucose truly controlled, which it AIN'T right now, I'll bet you, for sure... Wanna bet? Take a blood test and check for HbA1c... I will bet it is 6.0 or higher. That means : You are losing the game, my friend. - Ellis] Frank: I will probably take it again in about 6 months. Once I can figure out a better way to control the bad effects. Ellis: [There are no bad effects. It was like a dream come true, you said... The bad effects are in your mind, and your doctor put them there. Diabetes came into the picture, but you are 67 years old... You have been eating bread and spaghetti and potatoes and chocolate cake and Corn Flakes and fruits 67 years, which is all your life without wondering about it. So now you take growth hormone for three months and you feel great and it's like a dream... but then you discover that you have diabetes, so what caused the diabetes??? That's like you felt good, so it caused diabetes. No, man, feeling good is not what caused your diabetes. Bread and potatoes and chocolate cake and Corn Flakes? Huh? That's like chocolate cake and apple pie, man, you don't blame bad stuff like diabetes on good stuff like chocolate cake and apple pie! - Ellis] Frank: I didn't want to wake up down the road at 68 (like a couple of other very well known advocates) with a stroke or diabetes. Ellis: [You see, you think you don't have diabetes... Wake up, man, you have diabetes! Can't you see it? You have diabetes. Maybe your doctor didn't see it either, but you have diabetes. Your doctor is trying to convince you that you can get by with metformin, but you can't, because you have diabetes. But "according to Ellis" you have diabetes, and you can't get by with metformin. You aren't controlling your blood glucose well enough with metformin... check your HbA1c and you will see I am right. My suggestion: get back on half a dose of whatever you were taking of HGH, because YOU SAID those were the best three months that you can remember... So go in the right direction again... That is: one half iu of HGH six times per week, for one month... then decide what you will do the second month, but don't leave the HGH, because when you feel GOOD that means something RIGHT is happening. Buy a glucose meter, and start to check your blood glucose before and after meals... and start to eat correctly... And whenever your blood glucose goes up a bit, bring it down a bit, by hook or by crook. It should be close to 85 all day long, every day. By hook or by crook means: you have to bring it down with whatever it takes. Find a doctor who is diabetic and who takes insulin himself, and consult with him and learn to use insulin. It is really very easy for you to learn to use it. - Ellis] Dr. Mike Lenker wrote:
To answer one question: My glucose and pressure was going up little by little long before the surgery. Ellis: [So then, I am even more certain than before that you were and are already diabetic, and I am more certain than before that growth hormone did not cause your diabetes... Please buy Dr. Richard Bernstein's book "Diabetes Solution" and do not listen to any doctor who does not follow Dr. Bernstein's recommendations (ie, Very low carb diet. Remember that sugar=100% carbs and sugar is the Enemy.) "DIABETES IS THE DEVIL, AND SUGAR IS HIS PROPHET" - Ellis Please buy Dr. Richard Bernstein's book "Diabetes Solution" and read it. Do not listen to any doctor who does not follow Dr. Bernstein's recommendations on diet. He also insists that you MUST keep your blood glucose close to 83 mg/dl which is at odds with the American Diabetes Association, perhaps because it is difficult to make patients comply, or perhaps because they have an economic interest in keeping their patients slightly sick for many years. (Dr. Bernstein recommends an extremely low carb diet, much more strict than Dr. Atkins, and Barry Sears doesn't even come close. Remember that sugar=100% carbs, and SUGAR IS THE ENEMY.) "DIABETES IS THE DEVIL AND SUGAR IS HIS PROPHET." - Ellis Toussier Read my pages The Glucose Theory of Aging Ellis Toussier's HbA1c to Average Blood Glucose Conversion Table and I already had another page that discusses if HGH Causes Diabetes: And since you wrote that you felt much better when you took HGH than before or after you stopped using it, I suggest it was a big mistake that you stopped taking HGH. I hope you will start to take it again. Don't ever stop taking what is making you FEEL BETTER. The reason you stopped using HGH is because you got a high glucose level, and you were scared that HGH caused it, and probably your doctor quickly agreed that HGH caused it and is bad for you. On this point, you should better believe Ellis than believe doctors. At least, give it a try: Take your HGH and control your blood glucose. Blood glucose can go UP very easily, for many reasons including stress (when you are in stress, your adrenal gland releases cortisol and perhaps adrenaline and other catabolic hormones that destroys some protein, which in turn INCREASES blood glucose...) So now try to take HGH again and start to feel better, and learn to control your blood glucose so that you can TAKE HGH AND ALSO keep your blood glucose controlled. Thanks for your reply. - Ellis]
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