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March 25, 2006
Dear Ellis,
I LUV YA MAN !!!!!
This stuff is starting to "kick in".... After years of anemia, I can finally breathe!!!
I can't wait to inject the next two boxes and bring my hematocit up into the upper 40's.... I was sooo anemic before... remember, my hematocrit has been as low as 38%...
Thank You so much for what you're doing for me... when no one else cared...
(name withheld by request)
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Ellis,
I know just how he feels. You are a lifesaver. Without EPO supplementation my hematocrit gets as low as 35. You can imagine how I feel. (name withheld by request)
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January 2, 2009
Ellis... I feel I am so lucky to have found you. There is only one man in the world who does so much good for me, and that's you... You care more about me than any doctor ever has!
My hematocrit was only 38% but my doctors felt is was OK even though I always felt bad... I always felt sleepy, and I often found myself short of breath.
But the worst was when I was out of breath... I felt like I was drowning. It was so bad that I would wake up from lack of oxygen, and I would have a hard time getting back to sleep.
My doctors ran thousands of dollars worth of heart, lung, and blood tests. They found my blood had lower than the normal range of red blood cells but they said it was probably "just normal for me".
"Well..." I asked "How do you know that normal for me is not 45% and that I am not anemic?" There was no good answer for that one: The fact is they didn't care one bit that I was suffocating...
With my hematocrit now up to about 47% I feel wonderful!!! I can go up a flight of stairs without being out of breath... I feel more energy... I can think better... and I sleep soundly...
YOU are my breath of fresh air, my pathway to good health...
Thank you so much for caring about my health. May God bless you, as he has me to find you. (name withheld by request)...
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February 17, 2009
Just wanted to let you know... My hematocrit went from 36 to 40.6 after the 12 vials, which is right on what you described on your site.
You wrote me an email saying that I would start feeling an effect about a week after my first 12 but the truth is I started feeling A LOT better after 6 vials. I feel so good now and my life has totally changed.
Thank you so much for making your site and helping me out. You are a genius!!!!
(name withheld by request)...
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April 22, 2009
What is it like to go from 40% to 56% hematocrit?
What is it like to go from 40% to 56%?
The difference was, at first, startling. Before realizing I was anemic, doctors had consistently diagnosed me with athletically induced asthma. The inhalers and other medication they gave me, however, did nothing to alleviate the chest pain, shortness of breath, and severe fatigue I felt on a daily basis.
It wasn't until I got blood tests done and saw how low my hematocrit was, and how little concern my doctor had, that I seriously thought about EPO.
It wasn't so much that they were unwilling to help me, as that they didn't perceive a necessity for me to be helped. They saw I had a hematocrit of 40 and thought "OK, he's normal". I thought: "I feel chronically exhausted, I have trouble breathing, and I have a hematocrit of 40... Maybe there's some connection?"
I have read that the top 1% of the population have hematocrits above 53% while only another 1-2 percent are below 42%. If I had naturally had a hematocrit of 54%, I would have been considered exceptional. However, with a hematocrit of 40% I was called "normal." I found that unacceptable.
Since starting on EPO I have noticed, first and foremost, that I have more energy for everyday activities. Walking up stairs doesn't seem to be a threateningly exhausting activity... going for walks with my girlfriend is now a pleasure rather than a struggle... I am generally much happier.
While I am a cyclist, the differences I've seen on the bike are actually NOT what the anti-doping people would have us all believe. I am not suddenly crushing all of my friends and winning every race. I have felt stronger, yes, but not super-human. Mostly the difference is simply that I am recovering day after day without feeling useless and exhausted after every bike ride. - Anonymous
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What is EPO?
"I am ready for some more of your magic... It's 'magic' as in it makes me feel alive inside and out. I find it also helps with mood, as in it makes me feel good all the time. So... It's Magic!" - anonymous, Sept. 22, 2009
EPO ("EPO" is short for ErithroPOyetin) is a hormone that is made by
the kidneys... The kidneys clean the blood, so the kidneys are the first to notice if there is not enough OXYGEN in the blood... Oxygen is carried by
red blood cells. If there is not enough oxygen in the blood, the kidneys shoot out a little EPO, and that is an order to the bone marrow to produce some more RED BLOOD CELLS...
Red blood cells carry hemoglobin, and hemoglobin carries OXYGEN... So... if you are LOW on red blood cells, you are also low on oxygen, and that is BAD...
you feel TIRED... and you cannot THINK well, you forget things... and all the cells of your body suffer... some cells might even die... that is why anemia (low red blood cells) is associated with many other health problems, including cancer, senility, diseases of the nervous system, and many other degenerative diseases.
If you get your LOW RED BLOOD CELLS back up, you will FEEL MUCH BETTER.
The problem is: YOU LOSE RED BLOOD CELLS as you get Older... past age 50, your red blood cell count drops about 1/4 of 1%, per year... so by age 60, your red blood cells have dropped about 3% in TEN YEARS... you don't feel it happening because it is happening slowly, but you are slowing down.
Can you tell me how to use EPO?
In short: Check your hematocrit before you start (or if you have already
checked recently, that is good enough...)
Take 1 vial of 4000 iu per day, subcutaneous or intravenous, until you have taken 12 vials. You can conceivably use 2 vials per day, because the dose of 40,000 iu exists, but be aware that every 3 vials will put up your hematocrit about 1% (ie, from 45% to 46%) You could also take 1 vial every other day, for 12 doses.
After 12 vials, check your hematocrit, and do not exceed 60%. I do not exceed 55%, but I would raise to 60% if I wanted to go up Mt. Everest, for example.
Use a 1.0 ml insulin type syringe, and you can inject into a vein, or you can inject subcutaneously, into the fat around the belly, for example... anywhere...
at any time...
I have been told that 50% hematocrit is the highest allowed for hematocrit in bicycle racers before a race, so I am certain 50% hematocrit is not dangerous. I keep my hematocrit at 55% which exists and is normal for about the top 1% of the population at sea level, or very common in the population that lives at about 4000 meters above sea level, for example in cities and towns in high mountains in South America or in Tibet.
After you have reached the level you want, it will last about 3 or 4 or 5 months, depending on the food you eat (low carb high protein is best, high carb low fat is worst) and your height and weight, and the kind of exercise you do: If you are sedentary red blood cells last longer... if you do very heavy exercise such as bicycle riding or marathon running, red blood cells are crushed faster so they need to be replaced sooner.
In any case, at about 3 or 4 months you check your hematocrit again... when
you notice it is beginning to drop, you take ABOUT half as much dose as it took to get you UP: for example: it took twelve vials 12 vials and it lasted 3 months... that means it took = 4 vials per month... So you need ABOUT 2 vials per month, maybe more, maybe less, depending on your weight, height, what you eat, and how much you exercise.
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May, 2008
Ellis: My hematocrit was at about 52- 54% for several years... I tested several times, and reached the conclusion that 1 vial per month was enough to sustain hematocrit. So I stopped testing but continued to inject 1 vial per month...
After 1 year, I tested again... Hematocrit came out 49.9% and Hemoglobin nearly 17%... That means that 1 vial per month was in fact not enough to sustain at 52% to 54%...
Seen by itself, 49.9% is not a bad level. In fact it is the level that is allowed for bicycle riders to compete without being disqualified for too high hematocrit. But I am not a bicycle rider, and I want my hematocrit to be 52% to 54%, not 50%.
So I took 6 vials of EPO which I expect will raise my hematocrit to about 52%. There is ZERO chance that my hematocrit will go above 60% or 70%, so I am not scared of taking 6 vials in one week.
Later I will test and make sure I am at about 52% or 53% then I will try to raise to 54% or 55%.
I do all this under the supervision of my doctor in Mexico. I do not advise that anybody should do what I do unless you are under the supervision of a doctor.
Call me by telephone if you have any questions. From the U.S. or Canada: 011 5255 5280 3644. From most other countries: 00 5255 5280 3644. Free calls only on Thursday from 4:00 to 5:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time. Any other time costs $2 per minute, payable after the call if you think it was worth it. - Ellis
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How much EPO do I need initially?
Depending on what is your present hematocrit and how high you want to take it to, you need 2 boxes of EPO, initially... That will take you UP about 4% or 5%... for example, from 41% to 45% or 46%... If that is as high as you want to get to, then that is what you need initially. If you want to go up to 49% or 50% you will need another two boxes to put you up another 4% or 5%...
Then... your hematocrit will stay at that level for about 4 months... so about 4 months later you will need a small dose to maintain the level you are at... figure that whatever it took to get you UP for four months will be enough to KEEP YOU UP for twice as long, that is, for about 8 months.
For how long can you safely keep your hematocrit at a "high" level?
Your hematocrit can STAY at a safe level for as long as you want it to stay there, because "safe" means: "safe". I have kept MY hematocrit at between
52% and 55% which is "safe" since I began to use EPO, in 2002... and I intend to keep it there until I forget that I don't want to forget to take my EPO!
How often do you check your hematocrit?
I inject one sometimes two vials per month, at the beginning of every month, for maintainance... and I check my hematocrit once a year. I used to check it more often when I was starting, but once I got it to where I wanted, and I learned the maintainance dose I needed to keep it there, I learned that it is pretty stable.
My hematocrit is now 53% and it has been between 52% and 55% for several years... my hemoglobin is a little over 17%... PERFECT for Superman.
Which syringe should I use? Where on my body should I inject? At what time of the day should I inject? Should I inject intravenously or should I inject sub-cutaneously?
You should use a 1.0 ml insulin-type syringe. You can inject into a vein on your arms or legs, or you can inject subcutaneously into fat on your leg, or your stomach... into fat almost anywhere... You can inject at anytime, before or after a meal, anytime of the day. It is probably a little better "bang for the buck" if you inject intravenously... but I get the results I need by injecting subcutaneously and I don't need help to do it, it is a lot easier to inject subcutaneously.
Can you describe what it is like to be on EPO?
Pretend you are a fish, swimming in the ocean...
You are swimming and suddenly you come to a place where there is
a lot of pollution and low oxygen content in the water... so you
struggle to swim through the water, but you get tired and you are
gasping for breath...
Then... you come out of that pollution and you feel MUCH BETTER
again...
You continue to swim when suddenly you come to "An Octopus's
Garden"... Here there is 20% MORE OXYGEN in the water... It
is EASY for you to breathe and to swim here.
In fact it is so easy that you can swim fast and you do several
backflips and summersaults and you feel this feeling of happiness,
because this is how it used to be when you were younger, everything
is easy for you to do again, you don't get tired easily and you
forget that you ever get tired. - Ellis
I just received my blood work back and it says I have a 13.5 Hemoglobin and a 41.1 HCT level. Then it tells me that normal levels for Hemoglobin is 11.0 - 15.0 and that I am fine, and for HCT normal levels are 35.0 - 46.0 and therefore I am normal here too.
Do different labs have different ranges and levels, because one of the letters I read on your page was from someone with very simular numbers as mine and you were saying he was low sick.
"According to Ellis" you are "low sick"... according to doctors, it is "normal" to have a hematocrit between 35 and 45% so they don't stop to think if 35% is any better than 45%... (and by the way: Superman's hematocrit is about 52% to 54%)
It is "normal" for many people to be "low sick" so most doctors don't stop to think what is "optimal" or if there is anything they should or could do about it. Plus, they don't want to stick their necks out. If they prescribe EPO, other doctors might criticize them. So it is safer to tell you to go home and don't bother them anymore.
It is "normal" for people to die at age 75, so if you die at age 74 or 75, doctors are happy that they have done a good job.
If you count 1000 graves in a graveyard, and you check what the person died of, about 500 persons 50% died of a heart attack or stroke. So it is "normal" to die of a heart attack or stroke.
So... which do you want to be? Do you want to be "normal" and live sick and die at age 75, or do you want to be "abnormal" and live to age 100 in a young body, with your mind intact if possible?
You are like a person who is drowning, and I have just thrown you a lifeline... I suggest you should grab it and don't let go. I'm not kidding, you should try to Stay with Ellis.
My hematocrit is 37%. I use an altitude tent to raise my hematocrit... Can I use an altitude tent and also benefit from EPO?
(note: an "altitude tent" is a tent used to simulate high altitudes with lower oxygen. Theoretically this will cause an increase of red blood cells if your kidneys will release some natural EPO...)
Your hematocrit is 37% which means that you are anemic, by definition. (less than 40% is anemia, by definition...) Your body is struggling to get enough oxygen, and you are lowering the oxygen that you breathe in the hope that this will help you... You cannot get good results from doing something that is intrinsically bad for you. In my opinion you should not be using an altitude tent to raise your hematocrit because you are anemic so you are harming your body more. You are depriving your body of some oxygen and your body is already suffering from a deprivation of oxygen.
Yes, you can benefit from EPO... If you were not anemic I would say Yes, you can use an altitude tent and also benefit from EPO... but you are anemic so, No, you should not use an altitude tent and also EPO, because the amount of oxygen running through your veins is already very low so you should not be using an altitude tent at all...
Let's be honest, a lot of these athletes who are top distance runners are doing what is in my opinion beyond human capacity. Some are suspected of using EPO. Since this is illegal in sports, is there any other product you are aware of that helps specifically an athlete like me a runner (distance) that helps to become stronger or maybe help with oxygen transport.
I understand your frustration... it is the same as for all athletes, who must decide whether to break a bad rule and improve their body to be able to compete, or not break a bad rule and to know without doubt that you will lose, because you have chosen to obey a bad rule which says you cannot improve your body health...
Is it "illegal in sports" to eat better than average because it will make your body strong and healthy?
Then why is it "illegal in sports" to give your cells the "hormones" they need to stay well and healthy and strong?
And since it is healthy for their body when used correctly, and very difficult to detect the use of EPO or Growth Hormone or some testosterones, etc, how many top athletes do you think choose to keep their body healthy?
I have been told by some athletes that 100% of all top athletes in any sport (eg, those who win Olympic medals) take some hormones. And I think most of them take them incorrectly... which is why some of them get into trouble. That is, every single one of them is "illegal in sports" and most of them are learning in gymnasiums instead of from their doctors... Wouldn't it make sense for all of them to be able to keep their body healthy "legally" under the supervision of a doctor?
But they can't, because it is "illegal in sports". You can SMOKE TOBACCO and DRINK ALCOHOL, and that is "legal in sports" (and all top athletes avoid smoking tobacco and drinking alcohol) but you can't replace hormones, which is good for your health.
No, there is no other product that is legal in sports that I am aware of that will raise your capacity to process oxygen. And if they ever find one, it will immediately be forbidden in sports. Testosterone will also raise your red blood cells, but it is also forbidden in sports. Anything that helps your body to be better so you can run faster or jump further is forbidden in sports. You are expected not to intervene with any medicine or technology and you should allow your body to deteriorate at its expected rate of decline. Which means you should allow your body to have a lifespan of about 78 years.
There are hermetically sealed tents where they REMOVE oxygen from the air you breathe, thus simulating that you are going UP in altitude... that is LEGAL IN SPORTS, but ridiculous in practice, and even BAD FOR YOUR HEALTH... You can SMOKE TOBACCO which will damage your lungs and put up your red blood cells... but it is BAD FOR YOUR HEALTH.
Can you please tell me how can BREATHING LESS OXYGEN or SMOKING CIGARRETTES be allowed in sports when it is intrinsically BAD for you, but putting up your red blood cells with the hormone that is natural to our body is ILLEGAL IN SPORTS? I dunno. That is how upside down the rules are. What is bad (cigarrettes and alcohol) is allowed, and what is good for your health is against the rules.
In any case: You can increase your hematocrit in an UNHEALTHY manner, and that is LEGAL in sports; but you cannot raise your hematocrit in a HEALTHY manner because that is ILLEGAL in sports.
Fortunately I am not an athlete, so I will increase my hematocrit with EPO which is a hormone that is natural to my body and which does not cause me damage like depriving my body of oxygen does, or smoking cigarrettes which is terrible for my lungs and my health.
You can fix your car and tune the engine and change ball bearings and put in new spark plugs and use high octane fuel, but you are not supposed to fine tune your body with anything except with food and vitamins and exercise. In the future, they might forbid you to use vitamins too... that is actually very close to happening, at the United Nations level.
You can "legally" (according to sports) go live on top of a very high mountain for a few weeks... but I suggest you find a very high one that is 4500 meters high or more, if you want to get good results... You can train on top of El Nevado de Toluca near Mexico City, which is 4500 meters high... or you can train in some places near La Paz, Bolivia, which are 4500 meters or higher... Or you can go to the Himalayas and train there...
But Oxygen deprivation is bad for your health... it will stimulate your body to produce more EPO to raise your red blood cells, which is good for your health, but your body will suffer because you are denying it oxygen while you force it to make more EPO... so it is bad for your health.
So according to the Sports rules, the only way you can get a good end result is if you do something that is bad for your health temporarily... but if you do something that is good for your health without first doing something that is bad for your health, it is forbidden.
It makes sense, doesn't it? No? It doesn't? You mean, its crazy? Like an Alice-in-Wonderland upside down world, where good is bad and bad is good???
Yes, that is exactly what it is like... It doesn't make any sense, but that is how it is in most of the world. You can smoke tobacco with no problem, and you can drink alcohol and get drunk all you want to, but please don't use growth hormone or EPO or Testosterone because they are forbidden for athletes, because they are TOO GOOD for you.
You can try vitamins, and you can try eating good food, both of which are also good for you... but neither one will increase the number of red blood cells, which is the only way that oxygen gets to every cell of your body.
I am not an athlete. I am an Old Man in excellent health who wants to remain in excellent health body and mind. I use EPO for my good physical and mental health, and to stay in good physical and mental health... It is legal for me to use it, because it is a legal medicine... it is not cocaine or heroine, etc.
It is a hormone, natural to my body, and it is ultimately very good for my body to have the right amount of EPO at the right time.
Since it is forbidden according to the rules for me to run in the Olympics or in sports events, I don't run in the Olympics or in sports events... but I still run, because it is very good for my health.
I don't compete in events where they forbid persons to be so healthy as I am, which they say is "cheating"... but my health is much more important to me than to win or lose in a sports event. I win the only contest that is important to me, which is to be in super good health, because my body is in fact in super good health because I don't have to try to obey a rule which would force me to purposely allow my body to deteriorate... that is bad for my health. To me it makes more sense to win the health contest, and not to compete in sports.
I could give you a dissertation on the questions you ask, but I don't have time to write more. If you want to consult with me by telephone, I give free consultation on Thursday from 4:00 to 5:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time. Any other time costs $2 per minute, which you can pay me however you like, and pay only if you think it was worth it. But if you want to continue to consult with me I ask for 12 sessions at least, so that you will get RESULTS, because that is what is important.
I have read that EPO is dangerous because it can thicken our blood which can cause a heart attack. What do you say to that?
Blood "thickens"... but it also "thins"... you don't want it to be
too thick, and you don't want it to be too thin. So, which is which?
It is not enough for doctors to tell you: "don't use EPO because your blood will thicken and you will get a heart attack."
If your blood is too thin, then you want it to thicken.
And if your blood is well enough, you might still want it to thicken it some more, so that you have more oxygen and you feel even better... But what is "even better" and not "dangerous"? Because I agree, I do not want to "feel better" and then have a heart attack...
So the question really is: how thick can you get your blood without having a heart attack?
That is what the sites or the doctors who tell you about the danger of EPO never discuss. They only say that it might cause a heart attack. Be careful, do not go out into the street because a meteor might fall from the sky and kill you.
And I agree, it might cause a heart attack if it is "too thick" but this is like saying that "climbing up a mountain to the top of Mount Everest might cause you to die from lack of oxygen..."
But at what height does lack of oxygen cause you to die from lack of oxygen?
Can you climb to 2000 meters? To 4000 meters? To 6000 meters? To 8000 meters? Can you climb to the top of Mount Everest?
I adjust my blood to about 4000 meters... My red blood cell count ("hematocrit") is
at about the level that people have who live in La Paz Bolivia,
or in small towns in the Himalayas, near the base of Mount
Everest...
I am not adjusted to 6000 meters which is where
Base 1 of Mount Everest is located. People who climb Mount
Everest first go to Base 1 before they climb Everest and they
stay there until they are adjusted to 6000 meters altitude. Some
of them never adjust enough, and they never climb Everest because
they are not ready to. But curiously, they don't check their red
blood cells, I think because the matter of "hematocrit" is not
an issue among them.
So... when they tell you that EPO is dangerous because it thickens
your blood and it might cause a heart attack, they should also
tell you at what thickness of blood is a heart attack caused.
And it is higher than 70%... it is not 70%... it is at some point
higher than 70%... How do I know that it is not 70%? Because
there are a lot of people who are sick with emphyzema, and not
all of them die, and these people have hematocrit 70% and higher...
at some point they die.
But I don't even come close to 70%, and I don't recommend that
anybody should raise hematocrit anywhere close to 70%. 70% represents the edge of the cliff for me, and I want to stay away and I do stay away from the edge of the cliff.
But there is plenty of room for improvement between 45% and 70% to get
better than 45% and less than 70%. And it is impossible to accidentally raise red blood cells to 70% or above when each dose raises your red blood cell by 1/3 of one point... You cannot raise hematocrit to 70% or higher with 12 or 24 small doses of EPO. And I don't recommend taking EPO as a method of suicide. It is easier and less costly and much faster to suicide by other means.
Might 12 vials raise hematocrit to a dangerous level?
Whatever your hematocrit is right now, 12 vials will
probably raise it about 4% or 5% from where it is now... that is, if you have 45% now,
it would go to about 49% or 50%...
There is no way you can get to "unsafe" territory (ie, above
70% hematocrit) with 12 vials of 4000 iu unless you would have
about 65% to begin with...
And the only way you would have 65% right now is if you smoke
cigarettes heavily and you have ephyzema, in which case raising
your hematocrit is definitely not indicated for you.
But... since you are writing to me, I will GUESS that your hematocrit
right now is about 45%, give or take a point or two. So: No... I don't see
any way that 12 vials can raise your hematocrit above 70%.
For how long will the benefit of 2 boxes of EPO last me?
EPO makes new red blood cells, and then the new red blood cells stay in your body until they are damaged or get old, at which point they are recycled out of your body. That takes an AVERAGE of 4 months, but it might be more, and it might be less, depending on HOW MUCH AND HOW FAST YOU DAMAGE THEM, both because of the sports you practice and also because of the food you eat.
In MY case... I think red blood cells last longer than 4 months, because I don't do sports that damage red blood cells, like marathon running and long distance bicycle riding... and I eat very low carb.
So my MAINTAINANCE DOSE to keep red blood cells at about 54% is only ONE vial PER MONTH, which makes me think that red blood cells last about 6 months in MY body.
I have been informed by high performance athletes that THEIR hematocrit starts to go DOWN in 6 to 8 weeks, so they need to maintain with much more than 1 vial per month.
Which blood tests should I take before I take EPO?
You need to know "hematocrit" and "hemoglobin". "Average" hematocrit is about 45% and hemoglobin about 15% or 14.8%, about there... Bicycle riders are tested and allowed to run long distance races if their hematocrit is at most 50%, so I consider 50% hematocrit is a very safe hematocrit. My own hematocrit has been between 52% and 55% since I began to use EPO in 2002.
You should also test for iron. Iron carries oxygen so it is good, but it also oxidizes, so too much iron is bad. There are two tests for iron. One is the "transferrin saturation," or T-SAT test. Your score should be at least 20% and not more than 50%. The other test is "serum ferritin" (SF) test, your score should be between 200 ng/mL and not more than 800 ng/mL.
How do they detect if you used EPO? I guess it shows in your hematocrit, and not some other way?
For a few days after you inject EPO, there is an overabundance of immature
red blood cells... however, after 6 or 7 days, those immature red blood cells are already mature, and they are indistinguishable from any other mature red blood cell, so after 7 days they can't detect if you used EPO (unless the EPO had a marker, which some of them do...) At that point, they disqualify athletes with a hematocrit above 50% "for your safety"...
I assume as long as you are below that 50% mark you are okay.
I have read that they allow some athletes to be a bit higher, because those athletes have convinced them that they have "natural" levels higher than 50%... you see, 1% of the population actually has hematocrit up to 54% or 55%... In studies made of athletes whose hematocrit was known, before EPO existed, about 10% had hematocrit above 50%... So they would have to disqualify the best athletes if they would enforce the 50% limit strictly... so they don't enforce it strictly for the top top athletes... but they keep them "honest"...
Helicopter pilots who spend a lot of time at high altitude not in pressurized cabins, have hematocrit above 50%...
Can you please tell me what are the side effects of EPO?
You get smarter... You can think and create better because your brain is full of oxygen, so it has whatever oxygen it needs... You are more creative, and you feel better... You will have more energy.
That is the only side effect you will have if you keep hematocrit at a natural and high level.
How do I know this is true? Because I have kept my hematocrit at between 52% and 55% since the year 2003. Instead of declining mentally, I have been more productive and creative than ever... And also, I know that people who have LOW hematocrit have trouble to remember, to learn, bad grades in school, etc... so... this is the OPPOSITE end of the bell curve, it is logical to believe that a CHESS PLAYER who has a higher hematocrit would have more success than a CHESS PLAYER who has a LOW hematocrit.
There are no "bad" side effects of using EPO if you do not put your hematocrit up above 70%, which you would have to be insane to do, and you cannot get it there "accidentally"... Think about it: It takes 3 vials to raise your hematocrit UP by 1%... You inject ONE vial per day... Even if you would make a mistake and take THREE vials per day for 8 days before you finally realized your mistake, you would only raise your hematocrit from 45% to 53%... You would have to take 3 vials mistakenly for 25 days in a row to get your hematocrit up to 70%... Obviously, you can't do it if you only have 12 vials.
So... disregard all you read about getting your blood so thick that you might have a heart attack. Whoever writes those articles doesn't know how EPO works,
and is clueless about what red blood cell level is actually dangerous.
I was in a city this past weekend at an altitude of about 2000 feet and did some hills training and I felt terrible compared to how I feel in the sea level city that I live in. I can imagine how hard 5000 ft. or higher would be like..
6000 meters is barely base camp 1, to climb Mt. Everest... 7000 meters is quite a bit worse... and 8000 meters is even worse...
Somebody who used EPO went up a 7000 meter mountain in India... He told me that everybody else in the group arrived two or three weeks before he did, to get "acclimatized"... But except for him, everybody else had trouble walking and climbing at high altitude...
Of course, his hematocrit was about 50% or higher, and the others were probably all about 45% or a bit higher.
. There are 12 vials, and since you said this was a 3-4 month supply is it safe to assume I will be using 1 vial every 8 days?
No. You have to understand how it works: EPO will cause your bones to make more red blood cells... the red blood cells will last 90 to 120 days, then they are recycled out of the body by the kidneys (I think). It takes 6 days for the new red blood cells to mature... so...
Supposing that you have 12 vials of 4000 iu each... you will take three vials per week, for 4 weeks... and your red blood cells will go up 6 days after each shot, but altogether you will get about 4% or 5% increase in hematocrit, ie, from 42% to 46% or 47%, or from 39% to 44%, etc. Then it will remain that high for about 4 months.
Then it starts to go down, as the red blood cells are recycled out of your blood. You can maintain the high level with about half as much EPO spaced out over the next 90 days, so instead of three times per week it becomes MORE OR LESS one every week, or one every two weeks. You will know where and how to do this by monitoring your blood hematocrit and/or hemoglobin levels.
One of the sheets you sent said .4 ml for every 2-3 days (which would
bring it to about this amount as well)
Take one vial of 4000 iu on Monday, one on Wednesday, and one on Friday or
Saturday, etc, until you finish the 12 vials.
I was under the impression that this was something that needed to be
used daily (or even 2-3 times a day) but this sheet implies that it can be
used every 2nd or 3rd day. Which is correct?
Every 2nd or 3rd day is correct.
Does it really matter?
I think it does not really matter... you could take it every day if
you wanted to, because some people take 10,000 iu in one shot (I know, because the dosage exists.) But I have always taken it 3 times a week, as it reads on the instruction sheet.
What is your suggestion as to when to take the injections and how often?
If you are not in a hurry, take it as it says, 3 times per week, any time of day. If you are in a hurry, you can surely take it everyday, with no problem at all.
The sheet also says something about the injection being given subcutaneously (between the skin and muscle). I thought it was to be placed
straight into the blood stream. Which is correct?
Either way is correct, according to the instructions. However, if you
take it by intravenous injection I THINK it is probably more effective. But... it is easier to take it sub-cutaneously. I take it intravenously.
if 2 vials per month will maintain levels, will 4 per month give better
results?
No...
You want your hematocrit to STAY at a certain level, you don't want it to
continue to RISE UP higher than you had it... so if (for example) 2 vials keeps
your hematocrit at 50%, 4 vials might raise it to 50.5%, and the next month
to 51%, and the next month to 51.5%, etc... in other words, it will be rising slowly and in a few months it will be higher than where you want it to be.
BUT... it takes MORE EPO to maintain hematocrit in some people than in others, and the way to find out what is YOUR maintenance dose, you have to monitor your red blood cells over a long period of time.
For example, a BIG person needs more...
People who EAT a lot of carbohydrates damage more good red blood cells by
glucose...
And some types of activities CRUSH more red blood cells, so the red blood cell is recycled out of the body sooner... for example, RUNNERS or BICYCLE RIDERS need more EPO for maintenance dose than persons whose activities don't crush red blood cells, like walking, weight lifting, swimming, etc.
For example, I am medium size for a male (175 lbs), I eat very low carbs, and I don't run marathons or ride bicycle long distances... My maintenance dose is an incredibly low ONE vial every month or five weeks! And I know persons whose maintenance dose is 2 or 3 vials per month.
Once you are at, say, 54% how do you keep at the desired level (maintance dosage)? Do you have to come off for a period of time or continue constantly?
Once you get to 54%, for example, you would stay at that level for several
months... You should take a blood test about month 3 or 4, and when you
notice that it has fallen a bit, let us suppose to 52%, then you take about
1 or 2 vials of 4000 iu, wait 10 days, and then take another blood test and see
what happened.
In theory, every 3 vials will put you UP about 1 point, but I have found
that in fact with 1 vial every three or four weeks I balance at or near
54%... the blood test itself has a bit of error, so you have to play it by ear... it is a matter of testing and seeing what exactly happens, and then adjusting it slowly.
What I do not want to see is hematocrit at or above 60%, although 60% itself is not dangerous either... but I want to stay away from the edge of the cliff... If I aim for 54% I might get to 55% but I will never get to 60% accidentally... and if I do, I will still have a safety cushion to 70%... but I would not go to 60% (unless I would want to climb to the top of Mount Everest... which I will never want to do...) because it is not necessary to go to 60%... at 55% I already feel like Superman. - Ellis Toussier
What is the shelf life of the product?
Right now as I write, I have boxes of EPO that have an expiration date 16 months into the future (Sept, 2007, expires in January 2009)... and it surely lasts a year or two or three after that. (I have used "old" EPO, with no problem)
It looks like I need to mix the solution into the bottle with the powder by using a syringe (to pump the clear liquid into it). I'm just making sure that this is the way it needs to be done.
Yes, that is how it is done. One vial contains the powder, one vial
contains the water... suck up the water (1 c.c.) into a syringe and put it into the vial with the powder... It takes a few minutes to dissolve completely, and once it is dissolved, it is a crystal clear liquid.
About how long after it is mixed can you begin to use it, and for how long will it keep well in a refrigerator?
Use it soon after you have mixed it. Mix one vial and inject
the entire vial in one sub-cutaneous or intravenous injection. You should never have a mixed vial that is wholly or partially used, so there is no reason to want to know if it keeps well in a refrigerator after it is mixed... but I am sure it probably does keep well.
Should I shake the vial after I mix it?
No, from experience with growth hormone I never shake the vials, and it
dissolves anyways... Roll it around gently, let the water run over the
sides of the vial, and the stopper, tip it around, roll it around,
but don't shake it... it will dissolve without a problem. EPO doesn't
dissolve as quickly as growth hormone, but it dissolves in a short while.
How high should I get my hematocrit? At what point is it dangerous?
According to the charts that I have put up here, 45% hematocrit is AVERAGE and 5% of the population has 49% or above; and about 1% of the population has about 53%, or 54%. So 54% is probably the highest known safe limit. In cities at very high altitudes, such as La Paz, Bolivia, or some towns in the Himalayas, the population has hematocrit of about 60%, with no ill effects, so this is probably safe too, but don't try to find out which is the highest safe hematocrit... I always want to stay below 55%.
My hematocrit is 53% right now, and I am fine right where it is. I have read that Bicycle Federations disqualify a bicycle racer for their own safety if their hematocrit is above 50% (or if hemoglobin is 17% or higher...) But that also has a safety margin built in, because hematocrit will rise during the race as the bicycle racer loses water.
Hello Ellis, my hct.level has gone up since 11/15/03.@ 43% to 45.3% currently.
I have one last 4000 iu. injection today and will try to test again in two weeks time. do you think it will still rise even though I will not inject anymore for a week or two?
It will rise, but you may not get the answer on the lab blood test, because you can EXPECT only a 1/3% rise from one vial so it is possible that the error margin on a lab test would not show it. Maybe you would even show a drop, for example, 45.0% on the next test, due to lab error... but... hematocrit in fact rises, and stays with you for several months... The important thing is that you are going in the right direction.
Interpret your blood test as "going in the right dirrection, about average hematocrit, in a very safe range" and don't put too much importance on the exact number... MORE IMPORTANT is: DO YOU FEEL BETTER ? DO YOU GET LESS TIRED THAN BEFORE ?
how can I get my hematocrit level up faster or is it best to let it rise up slowly?
Don't be in a hurry... Each 4000 iu dose will put your hematocrit up a
small increment, and it will stay there, for example, 120 days... so after 120 days you would go down that little amount, and not all that you went up with all the shots together... So if you go UP slowly, you will go DOWN slowly too,
in the future.
I have found that, in fact, my hematocrit stays up a lot longer than 120 days. I THINK the reason has to do with the fact that I keep my glucose levels always VERY LOW, or even RELATIVELY VERY LOW, compared to the population on which they probably obtained the statistics that says that hematocrit stays up 120 days. Those might have been sick people, many of them are diabetics, and others are end stage kidney disease patients...
So maybe it stays up 120 days on them, but much longer on me since I maintain my glucose levels strictly below 120, and maybe 98% of the time in the range 70 to 105. My MAINTENANCE DOSE is one vial every 4 or 5 weeks, and with that I have stayed at between 52% and 54% since the year 2002.
So... I RECOMMEND you should test your blood glucose before and after every meal, and if it is above 105, try to think of which part of your meal was responsible for putting up your glucose, and AT LEAST YOU LEARN which food items are not so innocent, and so this might influence you to eat less of them in the future or not eat them at all...
Write to me if you have other questions, and I will be happy to help you, but
put "EPO" somewhere on the Subject line.
I am afraid our correspondence can be read by others, and I don't want anybody to know I am sick...
Please write to me to
etoussier(at)hushmail.com
And please write to me FROM a Hushmail account, which you can get free (or pro...) at www.hushmail.com Hushmail to Hushmail is very well encrypted, and so our correspondence will be confidential. I don't want anybody to read our correspondence either, except YOU and ME. As Bill Clinton found out, the internet is not private.
How do mega vitamins fit in with HGH, EPO, Testosterone, and insulin.?
How does Little Leagues Baseball fit in with Major League Baseball?
That is how vitamins fit in with HGH and EPO and Testosterone and Insulin...
They are in the same wavelength, but hormone therapy has much greater power.
I appreciate you putting up with the many questions!!!!
Keep on asking. My "service" is not to only sell good products... it is to teach you that they even exist, and to teach you to use them correctly so you get the most benefit from them and you do not get into trouble using them. (I hope you understand this also implies you should buy through me, because you help me to help you when you buy through me. Don't buy through the least expensive source, if there is ever another one less expensive than through me, because price is not how I try to compete as the best source of supply.) - Ellis
Can I get my hematocrit level up faster, or is it best to let it rise up slowly?
Don't be in a hurry... Each 4000 iu dose will put your hematocrit up a
small increment, and it will stay there, for example, 120 days... so after 120 days you would go down that little amount, and not all that you went up with all the shots together... So if you go UP slowly, you will go DOWN slowly too,
in the future. But this is only my suggestion... there are kidney patients that take doses of 40,000 iu at a time, so it is not dangerous if you take 4000 iu every day, or even two doses of 4000 iu together in one shot.
I have found that, in fact, my hematocrit stays up a lot longer than 120 days. I THINK the reason has to do with the fact that I keep my glucose levels always VERY LOW, or even RELATIVELY VERY LOW, compared to the population on which they probably obtained the statistics that says that hematocrit stays up 120 days. Those might have been sick people, many of them are diabetics, and others are end stage kidney disease patients...
So maybe it stays up 120 days on them, but much longer on me since I maintain my glucose levels strictly below 120, and maybe 98% of the time in the range 70 to 105. My MAINTENANCE DOSE is one vial every 4 or 5 weeks, and with
that I have stayed at between 52% and 54% for 3 years.
So... to find out how you are handling glucose, I RECOMMEND you should test your blood glucose before and after every meal, and if it is above 105, try to think of which part of your meal was responsible for putting up your glucose... AT LEAST YOU LEARN which food items are not so innocent, and so this might influence you to eat less of them in the future or not eat them at all...
Do you think it is more effective to inject EPO intravenous (through the vein) opposed to subcutaneous, in the stomach or thighs?
The instructions say that it can be injected subcutaneously or intravenously... Some people that have sent me feedback have said that they inject subcutaneously and it gives them good results... however... they don't
inject subcutaneously and also intravenously, so they can't compare one to the
other...
In any case, 12 vials raises hematocrit about 4% or 5% in them.
I inject intravenously, because I have somebody who helps me to inject it,
because it isn't easy to inject yourself intravenously in the arm, using only one other arm and hand... when that person is not around and it is time for me to inject my 1 vial per month, I inject it subcutaneously and it gives me good results as far as I can tell.
The REASON I inject intravenously is because that is how doctors inject
their kidney patients... I figure the kidney itself sends EPO out into the
blood stream, so... if I can have it injected intravenously I feel it is probably "better"... but "better than what"? All we really care about is results, and both ways apparently raise hematocrit about the same amount for the same dose.
I "suppose" you might get more "bang for the buck" but that would mean that it raises hematocrit more one way than the other, and 12 vials only raised me about 5% when I took EPO for the first time too... so
If so, how much more effective?
Injecting intravenously gave me about the same results as persons who use the same dose subcutaneously, so it is "par for the course"... not better and not worse.
Write to me if you have other questions, and I will be happy to help you, but
put "EPO" somewhere on the Subject line.
I am very interested in EPO because my blood pressure has always been low which means I produce less blood than the normal person (or so I have read on the internet). How will I know how much to take and how often? Where do I get this? Can you provide it?
I suppose I am the world's biggest expert on the use of EPO for good health, also, because I am the one who started to use EPO for good health, and not for disease, or for sport, or for anything else except just to be well. I still have not heard of any anti aging doctor or endocrinologist who uses it himself or prescribes it to his patients just to stay well. I don't mean to "brag"... I earn nothing from bragging... I just think that I am light years ahead of doctors because doctors don't use or prescribe EPO just for good health...
So... learn from me. If I was a doctor, I might not prescribe EPO either, because there is too much chance that they would take away my license to practice if I would prescribe EPO for anything except the accepted reasons, which is for extreme kidney malfunction, and after chemotherapy when they have destroyed the patient's blood, and before major surgery, etc. ... they know how to use it for near-death, but not for persons who are healthy and want to stay in optimum health for many more years.
So, I am glad to say I am not, officially, a doctor... But I learned from doctors... I am my own doctor... and I am my only patient. So nobody can take away my license to practice because I don't have a license... so I can learn, and I only teach what I do on myself. I never prescribe anything, but I can direct you to good doctors who I know are competent (because many doctors are not competent to advise you about EPO or other hormones) to get a prescription, and you can learn from me, if you want to.
I will teach you anything you want to know about taking EPO, if I know the answer... and your question you ask above is easy to answer: You will monitor your hematocrit and your blood pressure, and you will make sure it is within safe ranges... or else you won't take EPO. (I have never heard of anybody who monitors and understands hematocrit, that has raised it to dangerous levels by accident.)
That makes sense, doesn't it?
- Ellis
I am very interested in setting up regular consulting sessions with you. How could we get started? I would rather use the doctors you know and possibly include mine.
Of course. Use your doctors. I can work with you and also with your doctors, if they don't tell you that I am crazy.
I am also interested in flying to you for 3 days. Can you give me an idea of what would be included in that and what the advantage would be?
I can fly to you, or you can come to me... If you fly to me, I dedicate my day to you alone and I charge you $1000 per day to teach you everything I can. We can get A LOT done in ONE DAY... or two, if you want...
That includes all I know about using hormones, all that I know about keeping blood glucose near 83 mg/dl, blood tests, visits to my doctors if you want hyperbaric oxygen, EDTA chelation, Botox, Thermage... visits to pharmacies... I will teach you to use a glucose meter to decide which food is correct for you... and 2 years unlimited phone consultations after you meet with me. I will also give you a special "partner" discount on products you buy from me, which will pay for your trip and fees several times.
That means, whatever I sell to you in the future will always have a real and better cost than what I would charge otherwise. You will recover your "tuition" to consult with me by the discounts and the money you will save when you buy the products that you need from me.
See my page, Consult with Ellis Toussier, for more details of what I can teach you, how much it costs, and what you get for it.
I have a question -- can't the RIGHT kind of carbs make a huge difference? I mean the right carbs can keep your blood sugar levels below 130 even after eating, right? I'm talking about beans mostly. I'm trying to lose weight by eating good carbs, mostly beans. I monitor my blood sugar. I try to stay under 130 even after eating.
Doesn't this make sense?
I have bad news for you... "According to Saint Ellis" if you don't get your average glucose levels much further down, starting NOW, you can write your will because you will be dead in about 40 or 50 years. Maybe that doesn't seem so bad, but it is "terrible" according to me... I am only 64 years old (in 2009), and I don't want to die as a young man when I am only age 104 or 114... (I am kidding... but I actually would like to have a young body when I will be 114 years old.)
I suggest you spend the best $97 you will ever spend in your life and consult one hour with me by telephone. I don't advertise that I will give $97 consultations, but I give them when I know I can save your life and your health. You don't have to pay it until after the call, and you don't have to pay it if you don't think what you learn from me will improve your health and extend your life.
My phone... 011 5255 5280 3644... call me anytime, and if I can't answer then, I will tell you when to call again. - Ellis
P.S. "Saint Ellis" (we just happen to have the same name...) is some guy who lives in Mexico who says things that he can't prove, and which some doctors think are crazy... "According to Saint Ellis" these ideas can be very good for your health, but even if they are mistaken they can't be bad for your health. One such idea is "keep your blood glucose under strict control, by hook or by crook." and then he follows that with a table that doctors think is much too strict, but I know it isn't, because I can get my glucose to optimal levels very easily.
According to Saint Ellis, this is the correct interpretation of blood glucose levels:
| > 200 mg/dl |
SUICIDAL |
| 180 mg/dl |
DEATHLY |
| 160 mg/dl |
HORRIBLE |
| 140 mg/dl |
TERRIBLE |
| 120 mg/dl |
BAD |
| 110 mg/dl |
VERY HIGH |
| 100 mg/dl |
HIGH |
| 70 to 85 mg/dl |
OPTIMAL |
| 55 to 69 mg/dl |
LOW |
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From: "Ethics of Performance Enhancement in Sport: Drugs and Gene Doping"
June, 2007
by Bennett Foddy, Harold T. Shapiro Postdoctoral Fellowship in Bioethics at the Center for Human Values, Princeton University
and
Julian Savulescu, PhD, Professor and Uehiro Chair in Practical Ethics, Oxford University
"Playing sport at an elite level is not suicide, but neither is steroid use. To be sure, elite athletes are healthier on average than any morbidly obese person. But elite athletes in some sports can expect to have a serious medical problem every year or two.
This is not true of EPO, taken at a reasonable dosage. Even at very high dosages, and even if we take into account the poorly - substantiated rumours of EPO - related deaths, EPO does not present any risks that cannot be found from just over-training or especially from hypoxic training. If you have a low haematocrit for genetic or dietary reasons, EPO could actually improve your health."
Read more: Bennett Foddy, D Phil
Julian Savulescu, PhD
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Prepare yourself for a mind blowing read... read in this order:
EPO and Bicycle racing, anonymous
What Is Sarcopenia?
What is EPO?
Anemia, EPO, and Senility
http://www.rajeun.net/sarcopenia.html
EPO F.A.Q. Page
High Altitude Pathology Institute IPPA, La Paz, Bolivia
INCREASED POLYCYTHEMIA; ALLY OR FOE IN THE CONQUEST OF MOUNT EVEREST?
by
Dr. Gustavo Zubieta, Jr., and Dr. Gustavo Zubieta, Sr.
High Altitude Pathology Institute, La Paz, Bolivia.
Increased Polycythemia (thickening of the blood) Ally or Foe in the Conquest of Mount Everest?
Bernardo Guarachi, age 45, has made history by becoming the first Bolivian to reach the top of Mount Everest. But from a medical point of view, his achievement has a much higher significance.
Bernardo is the best known mountain guide in Bolivia. He has summited Illimani (6490 m), 170 times and of course all the other important mountains in Bolivia and South America including Aconcagua, Chile (6959 m), with no supplementary oxygen. Bernardo is a descendant of the Aymaras and has made his conquest as a sole representative of Bolivia, with little funds, joining groups from other countries. On his first attempt back in 1994, he had a normal hematocrit of 56% (average saturation of 92%) for 3510 mts, but we noticed that he had small positive slope on the plateau of the single-breath nitrogen washout curve, because of uneven ventilation. On that occasion he did not reach the summit of Mount Everest, but he did reach the summit of K-2 (a mountain).
Four years later, and four months prior to his second successful attempt on May 25, 1998, he had a hematocrit of 70% and an average saturation of 90%. His many ascents (some even with flu), may have probably injured some alveolar areas of his lung. Life insurance was rejected because of his increased polycythemia.
We told him that this polycythemia was a compensating mechanism to his mild pulmonary function alteration, as we sustain in our concept of chronic mountain sickness (CMS), and advised him not to spend a week in Berlin, Germany prior to ascent, as he had planned to attend a ITB gathering there. He could not avoid such compromise, but reduced his stay to two days. Nutrition with proteins and carbohydrates was instructed. The ascent was troublesome. Ironically, he rented 3 tubes of oxygen but once on the mountain, he found out that two were 1/4 full and one only 1/2 full. Plus the Sherpa accompanying him also needed oxygen.
Bernardo eventually went down to rent other tubes and he only used 1 liter/minute (our advice), on his climb from camp 4 to the south summit where he stayed 15 minutes with oxygen and due to lack of climbing equipment was unable to reach the top summit and returned to camp 4. On his way down, at 8500 m he took off the oxygen mask because he noticed that he was hyperventilating too much and felt better.
On his next try, he made a successful ascent with 1 liter per minute initially which he raised to 2 liters near the summit. At the summit (8848 m), he took off his oxygen mask to place the Bolivian flag, and remained without it for about one hour (risky, we now think... it surprised us too.) The other 2 Singapore climbers kept them on. He holds two records of fast ascent and descent the same day from summit to base camp and permanence without oxygen at the top, where he affirms he "breathed better without the oxygen mask".
We don't know the specific type of mask used and we lack an explanation.
For us, this proves proves that increased polycythemia was indeed beneficial and an ally in tolerance to extreme hypoxia. It compensated for Bernardo's mild uneven ventilation.
A check-up two days after his return to La Paz, showed that his hematocrit was 62% (probably due to deficient nutrition, fundamentally on rice) and a chest x-rays with some fine nodular spots in both lungs. This observation, we feel is an important contribution to the concept that increased polycythemia, is a compensatory mechanism of adaptation of the organism with anatomical or functional impairment of the lung in a chronically hypoxic environment [1,2].
In the case of Bernardo Guarachi, with minimum impairment but significant increase of the polycythemia, due to the altitude effect. It further sends the message to those suffering from chronic mountain sickness at high altitude, not to fear their increased polycythemia, since it is beneficial for their residence at high altitude, provided their lung and/or heart disease is well taken care of.
Gustavo Zubieta (Jr.) and Gustavo Zubieta (Sr.)
1. Zubieta-Castillo, G. & Zubieta-Calleja G (1996). New concepts on Chronic Mountain Sickness. Acta Andina, Vol 5:1 pp 3-7.
2. CMS in www.geocities.com\CapeCanaveral\6280.
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