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Grow Taller Even If Your Endocrinologist Says "Impossible!" because he says "your bones have sealed..."
3 Doctors in Mexico Say "You Might...
if you are not yet 22... and if you take growth hormone..."
Case: Alexander, age 20 yrs and 10 months, height 5' 9" tall. He
is shorter than his father, and shorter than his younger brother... so
he would like to grow taller.
Under supervision of his doctor in Mexico, Alexander takes 180 iu in 60 days.
Growth: 1.5" to 2.0" in two months.
* * * Predicting height. with Bone Age
Posted on Rejuvenation
Joe Pizza wrote:
Hello Ellis
My son, age 14 1/2 has yet to go into puberty. The testes have not
enlarged (usually a sign that puberty is right around the corner,)he
has no bodily hair, his voice hasn't changed and he is off the charts
small. (4' 10", 80 lbs) He is a freshman in high school.
His last physical prompted his doctor to suggest HGH. We must go take
a few tests first. One is to see if his plates are fused.
[This is superfluous and ridiculous, and I guarantee it is a waste of MONEY and ALSO unnecessarily dangerous. He is FOURTEEN YEARS old... I guarantee his bones have NOT fused... take it from there. - Ellis]
I find that hard to believe. His mom is terrified to the point of tears, and I am very concerned myself. I am a bit more knowledgeable about HGH and tried to explain some things about HGH, but to no avail.
[Why is she terrified? At the thought of HGH, or at the thought of the unnecessary X-rays? I know you are going to give him the unnecessary x-rays, but I just wanted you to know they are superfluous.
As for being "terrified" of HGH, just tell her I have used HGH every day for 9 years, and I have survived without any problem... in fact, better than without any problem...- Ellis]
What worries or concerns should we have at this point.
[None. No worries, and no concerns about HGH.... Growth hormone will not have any bad side effect if taken in a physiological dose, which in children is even higher than in adults... Be worried and concerned that the X-rays that
doctors are asking for are unnecessary and risky. - Ellis]
What is the average growth in these cases, and how long does the process take?
[Depending on the dose of growth hormone, he will grow up to 3 inches MORE THAN HE WOULD HAVE, per year... he will grow that much as long as you give him HGH... he could be playing on a pro basketball team by the time he is 20. - Ellis]
He is getting his growth factor measured, what can I expect?
[A large unnecessary bill. I guarantee his "growth factor" is low... you didn't know this already? - Ellis]
Please no information is unimportant. My boy is at the point of tears over his slight size and his mom is worried big time.
[Your boy will grow taller, 100% sure, with no side effects, and there is no reason at all for anybody to be worrried about anything. He is going to be perfectly well, and the only side effect is that you will be a little bit poorer. - Ellis]
I want my boy happy and will do anything to facilitate his growth,
SHORT OF INJURY.
[Somebody must have told you some scare stories, maybe so you spend more money. He is not going to be "injured" in any way! And he will grow to be 5'6" easily, and 5' 10" or 6'0" if you give him enough growth hormone. There is no problem, and I think he might even get better grades in school (ie, his learning ability will go UP...) - Ellis]
Please send unbiased info that will put our mind at ease! In the
bit of research I have done, I believe that HGH has gotten a big bad
undeserved reputation.
[Oh, yes, we have known that for many years... I will tell you what will ease your mind: Before you inject growth hormone into
YOUR SON, inject it into YOURSELF....You will see that it is going to make YOU feel better too! - Ellis]
PS If this works for my youngest son, and I believe it will, can it be used on my oldest, 18 years of age ( 5' 2", 105).
[YES... even if DOCTORS tell you it will NOT work and "the risk is too great", I am telling you it WILL work, and there is no "risk".. He will grow taller, 100% sure. I have seen boys older than 18 grow three inches in one year...
In any case, you have nothing to lose except MONEY, and money is not worth anything unless you spend it... and what better way to spend it than on your son's health and happiness? But you have to hurry... and I would not say he will be on the pro-basketball team, but I think he might grow at least 2 or 3 inches, if that helps.
See my page: http://www.rajeun.net/growtaller.html - Ellis]
It bothers him that he is also the shortest in his class, even though he HAS gone through puberty. Can he benefit from HGH therapy.
Many thanks to all.
[Puberty has nothing to do with it. It will work because he is still only 18 years old, and he will grow because he will grow "according to Ellis"... I know he will grow. - Ellis]
Posted on January 31, 2007
Joe Pizza and Ellis,
I am a radiologist, which is, a doctor who reads x-rays and so on for a living.
The main reason your son's doctor wants to take one or two x-rays of the wrist (or more likely, the hand) is to assess the maturity of your son's bones - not just to see if the growth plates have fused, but to know how close they are to fusing. This maturity is expressed in the "bone age."
This matters because it determines how much effect growth hormone will have on his stature - the earlier the bone age, the more benefit is possible.
There are tables to estimate how tall he will wind up without growth hormone, depending on his present bone age, and other tables to estimate how much to expect from growth hormone.
[Hello Mike... Has it ever occurred to you to think that these tables might be mistaken? In any case, they do not refer to boys who inject growth hormone AFTER their bones seem to have stopped growing.
I have SEEN boys age 19 who grow with growth hormone, when the tables and their endocrinologists said they would not grow any more, so the tables AND the endocrinologists were wrong.
I know a boy 19 who grew 2 inches. And I know a boy nearly 21 who grew 1.5" in two months. Both of them were told not to expect to grow, and both of them grew.
Perhaps the tables are right if they do not inject HGH... but they grew when they injected growth hormone. The tables and the atlases of bone growth don't refer to boys (or girls) who inject HGH, and doctors accept the tables as the
unquestionable Truth... and it is False.
I know a boy in Spain who is 21 years old, who was told by his doctor that HE MIGHT still grow until age 25, with growth hormone. Maybe it is good to be a doctor in Spain... - Ellis]
Because of the delay in puberty, his bone age is probably LESS than 14 1/2, but I can't tell how much. The x-rays would give you a better idea of how much "bang for the buck" he would get from growth hormone.
[I agree, that is what the x-rays would tell you... But think about it: You don't really need to know how much "bang for the buck" you can get from growth hormone... This is not a good enough reason to have the patient risk x-rays, which are unnecessary because we already know he is 14 1/2 so we know he will grow!
And the information you get from interpreting X-rays refers to persons who did NOT use growth hormone... So you cannot "interpret" the x-rays of somebody who intends to use HGH from the x-rays of others who did NOT inject growth hormone.
I am TELLING YOU point blank that he will grow. The information that you can get from an x-ray is not really necessary since his son is 14 1/2 years old, and what is truly important is to know will growth hormone make him grow? You find that out when he grows, or fails to grow.
It isn't a borderline case. He is 14 1/2 years old. HE WILL GROW because every boy 14 1/2 year old can still grow, and it doesn't take an x-ray to know this. He is 14 years old, and not 23 (which would be a borderline case, for me...) I have no doubt at all whether or not he will grow, because I know he will grow... but I will know for sure after he has injected growth hormone.
What is the reason to recommend not to use growth hormone, if there are no side effects and there is no reasonable risk involved? - Ellis]
The amount of radiation from a couple of hand x-rays is really tiny. It is a low dose per square inch of tissue, and only a small part of the body is exposed at all. Also, the hands are not as sensitive to radiation as some other parts of the body. (The risk of cancer from radiation mostly comes from radiation to more sensitive organs in the body, such as the thyroid gland, breast (in women), colon, and red bone marrow, which produces the blood cells.
In a teenager, the bone marrow in the hands is mostly replaced by fat (yellow marrow), and the blood cells are being produced by the marrow in the bones toward the center of the body - mostly the spine, pelvis, sternum, ribs, scapulae and the skull.)
There also might be an issue with his other hormones. My understanding is that it is the sex hormones and to some extent the adrenals that control puberty, not growth hormone. Even though I would not go to an endocrinologist about growth hormone for anti-aging (which I use), in your case I would strongly advise that your son see a pediatric endocrinologist, if he has not already. The bone age also would give the endocrinologist a further clue about how much of the short stature is due to a lack of growth hormone, and how much is due to the delay in puberty.
Mike Lenker
Thanks Mike, for writing. You are a doctor, and I am not a doctor, and I don't like to contradict what you say... but I am sorry, I have a different opinion. I do not like ANY amount of radiation unless it is necessary, and I like to avoid it if possible. I accept X-rays in the case of broken bones, but I don't like them only to know IF growth is possible (especially when I know for certain that it IS possible..) or HOW MUCH growth is possible.
In any case, whatever it would determine would be THE OPINION of whoever interprets it, and I think the books that taught him to forecast growth are mistaken, because they do not consider if the growth occurs or not, AFTER USING INJECTED HGH. THE FACT will be the growth that actually occurs. I see it as an
unnnecssary EXPENSE, and also an unnecessary exposure to radiation, which I don't like.
I agree that Joe Pizza should take his son to a pediatric endocrinologist...
But if the endocrinologist tells him that his son will not grow, or that growth hormone is "not worth the risk", or any other ridiculous reason why he should NOT use growth hormone, then he should look for another endocrinologist, until he finds one who says his son will grow, because I guarantee he will still grow with injectible growth hormone even if he is taller than 5'2", as they have mistakenly said to parents that they will not grow, and that the "risk" is not worth it, etc.
And if he doesn't find one in the U.S., then he should come to Mexico and I'll take him to visit a good pediatric endocrinologist here.
Perhaps you think I am exaggerating, but almost every person who writes to me about growth hormone for their children has been rejected by a pediatric endocrinologist, because growth hormone is "too dangerous" or it is "too late" and it will not work, or the child is "too tall" and it will not work for kids
who are or are projected to be taller than 5'2", etc.
It really and truly saddens (or angers) me to hear about PEDIATRICIANS who WILL NOT HELP CHILDREN to grow taller because the pediatrician has a personal hang-up or a moral judgement about what is "right" or what is "wrong" for children (or their parents) who want to grow taller than their genes have planned for them.
I agree that perhaps other hormones will be needed, perhaps testosterone, because the reason the boy is short could be due to a testosterone deficiency or thyroid deficiency.
Thanks for writing. You can be our resident radiologist expert, I will write to ask you more questons about interpretation of x-rays. And I would appreciate if you could show us a table which can predict how tall a child can grow with growth hormone, assuming that the pediatrician doesn't stop growth hormone treatment. "According to Ellis" he can play basketball if he has enough TIME and HGH.
You can be certain that I would recommend that any child who is short because he is growth hormone deficient should replace growth hormone for the rest of his life, but unfortunately I am in the minority, and I am not a doctor... or perhaps fortunately I am not a doctor, and I am in Mexico... so who cares? The children who have grown taller after they were told they would not grow taller care. (My doctors learn from me, and they are also not tied up...)
Thanks for writing. Three stars for this post. I researched a little about "bone age" after reading Mike's comments, and I put together a page of pictures of x-rays. It is an inexact science to me, but I'll write more about it... It is a very interesting page, but in my opinion it doesn't help to decide if a child should take HGH or not.
Thanks, Mike!
See: Predicting Height: Bone Age - Ellis
Message Posted Jan 23, 2007 on
Rejuvenation:
I will be starting my youngest son on HGH with doctors approval
within the next thirty days. His IGF was extremely low-165 (he is
14) 4 foot 8" and 80 lbs in high school. I have got another issue.
His older brother is 17 1/2 years old and in his junior year in high
school. He is 5 foot 2 inches and weighs 120 lb. He broke down
and finally confessed to me how much being short bothers him. He
thinks about it all the time and in EVERY situation.
I realize a person's height is only a small aspect of getting other
people's respect, but when you are much smaller than everyone else,
height is the only thing. I feel for my son and would like to help
him. I am going to go to a physician to run IGF and bone plate tests,
but I am certain that they will come back normal.
(note: "IGF" is a blood test which gives an idea of the level of growth hormone secretion...)
My question is: should I try HGH on my own with him?
[Why on your own? Have the doctors told you that they won't approve to give him HGH to grow taller? - Ellis]
I have been taking it for half a year. I am certain no harm will come to him but will the injections be a waste of time (as far as height growth is concerned?
[Absolutely NOT a waste of time. HE WILL GROW, I am 100% sure. His expected height is about 5'3" WITHOUT growth hormone, but I am CERTAIN he can be 5'4" six months from today, and 5'5" or 5'6" a year from today... and more, later. I am not a doctor, but you have NO RISK, NO SIDE EFFECTS, NO DANGER if you go or if you do not go to a doctor. So... go to a doctor, but if they won't help you (as I expect they won't...) don't hesitate to
come to Mexico and I will take you to my doctor, who I know will help you. - Ellis]
What would the dosage be 3-4 iu a day? More? Less?
[Write to me Subject: HGH to Grow Taller, to
etoussier(at)hotmail.com
. I prefer not to put this information on the internet. I don't want to teach children to do this on their own. - Ellis
I want my boy to be comfortable with his height. I believe 2-3 inches over the next couple of years will help a great deal.
[How about 4 or 5 inches over the next couple of years?
Look... it is only a question of MONEY. MONEY is only PAPER with numbers on it, it doesn't mean anything. Instead of exchanging little pieces of paper for a CAR, you exchange it for HAPPINESS and GOOD HEALTH for your sons. You won't be happier if you have a new car... but you will always be happier if you can
give your sons more happiness and good health. Go for it. - Ellis]
But I think he may be a bit to old.
[I assure you, he is not "a bit" too old. I have seen boys older than your son grow taller with injectible growth hormone... I think he can grow another 6 inches, with enough HGH. So...
Suppose I am mistaken, and he only grows 5 inches? Or suppose I am mistaken and he only grows 1 inch? But I am not mistaken. He can grow another 6 inches in 2, or even 3 years. - Ellis]
I feel bad that I could have helped him and I reacted to slowly.
[It is good you feel bad about it, because you are going to have an opportunity to repent and do something about it. You are still on time. He is only 17 and I have seen boys age 19 grow taller with HGH.
Now... MOVE... you don't have time to waste. Don't waste time, and don't let the doctors make you waste time. Get started as soon as you can. - Ellis]
Please, once again, any advice would help big time.
Thank you, Ellis, for sound advice with my last post, could I
get some more?
[I think so. Thanks for writing. If you do this, I would like for you to report to everybody on Rejuvenation how your sons grow taller, or fail to grow taller. - Ellis]
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Q: Hello Ellis. I am 5' 5" tall. My wife is 5' 2" tall. I suffered all my life for being short, and now my son is 12 years old and he is 138 cmts, which is also very short for his age. I would like him to be taller than I am... In fact, I would like for him to be 6 feet tall, which is as tall as I always wanted to be.
My question is: Can growth hormone help him to grow taller even if I and my wife are both short?
Ellis: Take a look at the growth chart for boys that you can download on my page: http://www.rajeun.net/growtaller.html
First, to answer your question: Yes, growth hormone will UNEQUIVOCALLY help your son to grow taller, NO MATTER WHAT ANY DOCTOR says. If you give him growth hormone now, he will grow taller... I am absolutely 100% certain of this, because he is still 12 years old and his bones are still capable of growing longer.
Your son is age 12 and 138 cmts tall... so he is about the 5th percentile right now... (This means that he is taller than 4% and shorter than 95% of boys his age...) Assuming that he would stay about that percentile without growth hormone, his predicted height at age 20 would be about the 5th percentile also... so his predicted height is about 165 or 166 cmts, which is about 5 feet 5 or 6 inches tall, too...
And you would like for him to be about 180 cms. tall when he is fully grown, which is about the 75th percentile... it is about 15 centimeters
more than 165...
So... you have to give him enough growth hormone now or in the future so that he grows about 15 centimeters (about 6 inches) more than he would have grown without growth hormone...
And you don't have to do it in one year... You can do it in two years,
or in three years.. or even in four or five years...
So, for example, by age 13 he would be expected to grow along the 5th percentile line, so he should be about 143 centimeters without growth
hormone.
If you give him growth hormone and he is 150 centimeters at age 13, then you have gained 7 of the 15 centimeters that you are looking for. You can easily get 7 centimeters in one year... you might even get more...
And you have until about age 19 to get them. My advice is: start moving right away. The same dose of growth hormone is more effective in a smaller
body than it will be in a larger body. - Ellis
Q: What dose will it take? How long would it take him to grow these 15 centimeters? How much will it cost?
Ellis: I don't know what dose will get the results you want... but whatever dose you start off with is better than zero... Start, and you can adjust the dose after three months, according to the results you get in the first three months. He can easily grow 3 inches more than he would have grown, in one year... And I think it is very possible that he could have more than 3 inches in one year... so he would have 6 inches extra growth in two years. Figure cost of growth hormone will be between $2000 and $4000 per inch of extra growth.
Q: What risk is there?
Ellis: There is no risk at all. He will not get any serious side effect... He will not get carpal tunnel syndrome, or acromegalia, and it will not cause cancer, and it will not cause internal organs to grow too large... it will not cause diabetes, and it will not cause insulin resistance... Everything you have heard that MIGHT HAPPEN is a list of what will not happen. None of it is true. He will only have benefits, and he will not have any serious side effects at all.
Q: Can you assure me that he will not have any side effects at all?
Ellis: No, I cannot assure you that he will not have any side effects at all... but I can assure you that he will not have any serious side effect. He will benefit much more than he will suffer from any side effect. Any side effect that he gets is insignificant compared to what 6 inches of height will do for his welfare and happiness.
Q: Can you assure me that he will grow taller with growth hormone?
Ellis: He is 13 years old. Yes, I guarantee that he will grow taller if you give him the dose of authentic growth hormone that I tell you for six months. You must get this dose approved by your doctor.
Also see:Discussion in Rejuvenation Forum: Predicting Height, Bone Age, Son age 14, and son age 18...
Also see:Grow Taller With HGH... Growth Charts and testimonials
Also see:Predicting Height through Bone Age, X-Rays...
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